Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby spid » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:47 am

As a general rule if a trade collects material from different titles then a new title is created for the new trade.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby Uthor » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:21 pm

spid wrote:As a general rule if a trade collects material from different titles then a new title is created for the new trade.


That hasn't happened with Transmet...
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=1

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby spid » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:17 pm

Uthor wrote:
spid wrote:As a general rule if a trade collects material from different titles then a new title is created for the new trade.


That hasn't happened with Transmet...
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=1


Why would a new title be created for those trades? They seem to be reprinting the same material from one title.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby mikebo » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:53 pm

I imagine the one volume that reprints some short stories from the Winter's Edge anthologies is what's being referred to.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=183958

The only way I see that we could always satisfy the general rule of creating a new title for collections of multiple titles is if we created a new title for every collection/series of collections. But there's then the problem that arises if a title's collection comes out in the same year as the issues it collects, and the database won't accept a dupe title in the same year.

I would put the new Hellblazer edition under the old title and number it either New Edition TPB vol. 01 (like the new Transmetropilitan editions, or similarly, the recolored Sandman volumes). Presumably, DC is going to release more re-editions and this might be the best way to go if that's the case. You could also make it a variant of the old Original Sins TPB with a variant name like "2nd Edition, 1st Printing" and make a note in the issue notes about the changes to the new edition.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby Uthor » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:14 am

spid wrote:Why would a new title be created for those trades? They seem to be reprinting the same material from one title.


Oh, my bad. I see what you guys are saying. I thought the point of making a new title was because it was trade collecting different material. I misread.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby skinnyguy » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:37 pm

I don't like that. I know that's the 'rule', but if I'm looking for a Hellblazer trade, I'm looking under the Hellblazer title. What happens if they release volume 2 that only contains Hellblazer issues, and then a volume 3 with another crossover, are you going to be looking at 3 different titles for the same series of trades?

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby Soda » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:05 am

skinnyguy wrote:I don't like that. I know that's the 'rule', but if I'm looking for a Hellblazer trade, I'm looking under the Hellblazer title. What happens if they release volume 2 that only contains Hellblazer issues, and then a volume 3 with another crossover, are you going to be looking at 3 different titles for the same series of trades?


While I agree with that, there are series were you have to do just that ("The Boys" or "Crossed").
For stuff I add to the page I always think about what would be the most logical one or decide upon exactly what IS reprinted. I wouldn't create a new series entry because some random "Uncanny X-Men" trade is also reprinting a short story wrong a random anthology or reprinting 5-6 pages of a handbook volume. I would list it under "Uncanny X-Men".
So yeah - I would've added that trade as under "Hellblazer" and then as "New edition vol. 01" or "New trade series vol. 01" as well.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby skinnyguy » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:53 pm

I knew this was going to happen - you buy a Hellblazer trade, you look under the Hellblazer title:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=234330

http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=234229

I still think cases like this, the trade should go under the Hellblazer title. It's labeled at Hellblazer volume 1 anyways.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby mikebo » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:10 pm

Fixed.

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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby EarthFurst » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:11 am

Make http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=241251 "Hellblazer (1988) - New Edition TPB vol. 02 / John Constantine, Hellblazer: The Devil You Know"
a variant of http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=95261 "Hellblazer (1988) - TPB vol. 02 / The Devil You Know" ???

Looked at both webpages and they seem to have the same content, except for the cover artists.

241251 has Cover Artist(s): John Cassaday and Paul Mounts

95261 has Cover Artist(s): Glenn Fabry

Looks like there might be a third cover edition: http://www.vertigocomics.com/graphic-no ... ew-edition "Painted cover by: Dave McKean
Kent Williams"
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Re: Hellblazer: Original Sins ... Again

Postby mikebo » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:13 pm

The image in your third link is by David Lloyd, and I believe was just the promotional image used for solicitation. The McKean and Williams credits are for the cover artists to the Hellblazer issues and annual reprinted within. I don't know why they list them there. DC's website listings can't always be trusted for cover accuracy for reprints. The listed reprinted content isn't always 100% accurate either.

While the new edition of 'The Devil You Know' and the forthcoming edition of the third volume, 'The Fear Machine', look to have the same content as the old collections, the fourth volume, 'The Family Man', will not be identical in content. The new edition includes the three issues previously omitted that were written by Gaiman and Morrison. It would be confusing to have the listing appear to be incomplete like this:
New Edition TPB vol. 04 John Constantine, Hellblazer: The Family Man
New Edition TPB vol. 01 John Constantine, Hellblazer: Original Sins

Along the same line, I think only the first couple Recolored Edition TPBs of The Sandman actually have new colors. (They could probably be renamed to New Edition for that reason). Likewise, only the first four and tenth volumes of Transmetropolitan have different contents between the different editions. Combining the identical volumes would just lead to confusion, I think.


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