Trade/Hardcover Repackaging Naming Conventions

[spid]

I am going to bump this and try to summarize where I think what we all agree upon.

There is the original TPB/HC entry.

* The variant field will be used when a trade comes out that contains the same material, but has a different cover. (Use the printing or year the book comes out if there is no printing)

* Deluxe will be used as prefix when a new oversize version of the trade comes that contains more material (number of issues in the title) or physically larger.
** Question what happens when the first trade that comes out is Over-sized? Do you label it as Deluxe to start instead of HC?

* Create a new title if a trade collects issues from multiple titles.

* What is up for debate is the syntax of how do you display an trade/hc that is recolored/adds a couple of new issues to the trade?

Proposed choices now

1st Ed TPB vol. 01

TPB vol. 1st ED

Any more options?

[mikebo]

Another issue that's come up that could fall under this heading has occurred with Marvel titles reverting to their original numbering and the collections of some of those series. It's not exactly the same type of thing that was discussed before, but there are similarities. Ultimate Spider-Man highlights the issue..
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=88
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=24838

We'll focus on just the regular TPBs and the Premiere HCs.
For the first title, and covering the first run of issues #1-133, there are 22 numbered TPBs, and 4 numbered (albeit random) Premiere HCs.
For the second title, issues #1-14 are collected in the first two TPBs and HCs. Note the collections' volume numbers start again with TPB/HC vol. 01

Things get tricky now. After issue 15 of the second title, the numbering reverts back to the first title with issue #150.

The collections titled "Death of Spider-Man Prelude" are TPB/HC vol. 03 and are listed under the second title despite only reprinting one issue from that title.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=230642
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=240480

The next volume, vol. 04 "Death of Spider-Man" has entries under both titles, but only reprints issues from the first title.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=247225
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=247348
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=236152

All of the DoSM Prelude and DoSM collections should be listed under the first title, but we should figure out a standard to separate the newer TPB/Premiere HC vol. 03 and subsequent volumes from the earlier ones. Presently, we have one of the hardcovers numbered simply "Premiere HC" since the member who entered it didn't know what to do about the numbering, I imagine. And one DoSM TPB volume mixed in with the old trades:
TPB vol. 04 Legacy
TPB vol. 04 Death of Spider-Man
TPB vol. 03 Double Trouble
TPB vol. 02 Learning Curve

The only thing that's coming to mind immediately would be to ignore the volume numbers on the newer TPB/HCs, and instead continue the volume numbers from the last of the old trades under the first title. For example, this issue could be TPB vol. 23 instead:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=205153

Anyone have any better idea?

[Uthor]

The only thing that's coming to mind immediately would be to ignore the volume numbers on the newer TPB/HCs, and instead continue the volume numbers from the last of the old trades under the first title. For example, this issue could be TPB vol. 23 instead:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=205153

Anyone have any better idea?

That would be horribly confusing for someone who buys the new TPB vol. 01 and goes to enter it into their collection.

There's plenty of series with trades that have random numbering or no numbers. It's fairly easy to just follow the indicia and deal with it when entering things into your collection, usually just looking at the volume name and ignoring the number. See Hellblazer. ASM. Fantastic Four.

Unless you want to change every TPB of every long running series ever, just let it go.

[mikebo]

Yeah, after more consideration, it would be confusing, but the current state of things is as well. I wouldn't have suggested that for every long running series, just the odd one that shares the same abnormalities of Ultimate Spider-Man. I have no problem letting it go myself, but those who've entered the Spider-Man books are having some difficulty as I've shown.

[Soda]

Actually - the problem is rather easy to solve: The collected editions are named "Ultimate COMICS Spider-Man" in the indicia (and only the trades/HCs, not the single issues!) so you could move those 4 HCs/TPBs into a separate title ("Ultimate Comics Spider-Man") and make it clear that it's ONLY for those 4 volumes.
The tricky part will be when the third series will revert the numbering with issue #175 or #200 as well. (if it will last that long though - "Spider-Men" seems like one last desperate and weak attempt to save the imprint).

I went with the convention when adding the TPBs just the way the HCs were added. With vol. 4 I chose to add it under the wrong series because that one already had a vol. 4. I was thinking about naming the trade "Ultimate Comics Spider-Man TPB vol. 04" as the number but discarded that thought because of the length. I also didn't name it "vol. 23" because it wouldn't be the 23rd trade and it would also be confusing as hell. As would've been numbering it "TPB vol. 23 (04)"-